Cattlemen Road site focus of future county emergency operations discussions

David Cash, director of operations and maintenance/facilities for Sarasota County (left) and Chief Financial Planning Officer Steve Botelho (right) listen to County Administrator Randall Reid during the County Commission’s Aug. 20 budget workshop. Photo by Norman Schimmel

It was billed as a Sarasota County Commission discussion about the sale of surplus property. What it evolved into was an admonishment that staff not engage in another master facilities plan for the county that would include outside consultants and lots of taxpayer expense.

However, the commission on Aug. 20 did give County Administrator Randall Reid and staff approval for an update of the current county facilities plan and for Reid to meet with Sheriff Tom Knight to discuss possible Sheriff’s Office use for property adjacent to the planned county Emergency Operations Center at 1301 Cattlemen Road.

After almost an hour of discussion during the Aug. 20 budget workshop, the commission voted unanimously for staff to proceed with the demolition of two buildings on a 2.2-acre county-owned parcel at 1301 Cattlemen Road and to rezone that parcel for commercial office or industrial use.

The County Commission agreed to demolishing buildings A and D on the 1301 Cattlemen Road site. The new Emergency Operations Center will take the place of the Mictron building on the property. Aerial diagram courtesy Sarasota County

David Cash, the county’s director of operations and maintenance/facilities, explained that his staff was working to finalize a list of about a dozen county properties that the commission could approve as surplus, for future sale. Undertaking the necessary due diligence on the properties, Cash said, probably would take until October or November.

However, he pointed out that two buildings on the 1301 Cattlemen site were vacated in January and had been prepared for demolition, with that cost already included in the county budget. A local firm had appraised the parcel at $490,000, he added, net the cost of the demolition. The appraiser had said the site could be rezoned to Industrial Light Warehouse, which would allow for either office or industrial use, Cash added.

Although the site has several other county buildings on it, Commissioner Joe Barbetta pointd out, “All I’ve been asking for in the last two-and-a-half years is the feasibility of selling just this piece,” referring to the 2.2-acre section Cash had referenced.

Barbetta estimated the parcel had 90,000 square feet of usable property.

“I’m not sure I know what the market is for office-building land,” Commissioner Nora Patterson said. “My guess is it’s not at its peak. My guess is quite the opposite.”

“The market demand for new office space is still low,” Cash said, particularly in that area. However, he pinted out, the commission could delay putting the parcel on the market.

“I have sensed a reluctance on the part of staff to just [sell the property],” Patterson added, “and I want to know why.”

Reid responded that staff did not have a master plan for the site. Nonetheless, he said, Knight had indicated that the parcel might be a good location for Sheriff’s Office space.

Barbetta interjected, “We can never lose sight of the fact that [the parcel is] not on the tax rolls. The object is to get it on the tax rolls. For me … its highest and best use [on an arterial highway] is not government use.”

Barbetta added that “it would be ludicrous” to think of building any new government facility on that site except the EOC. “We have plenty of space around the county. … It’s costing taxpayers money to hold pieces like this. I’m convinced that if we allow government to maintain property like this, they’ll find a use for it.”

Patterson pointed out, “Frankly, it’ll be some years before we have the dollars to build a new sheriff’s facility. It’s a nice dream.”

However, Commissioner Jon Thaxton said, “I think this board at least needs to have some sense of confidence that we’re not going to need this parcel.”

He added that he did not want to see the County Commission “six years down the road … looking at buying a 2-acre parcel for the Sheriff’s Office …”

Reid said he could go ahead and talk with Knight, adding, “There are other locations for sheriff’s facilities.”

Patterson ended up making the motion to have the buildings demolished on the 1301 Cattlemen Road site and to rezone the parcel to ILW. Thaxton seconded the motion, which passed unanimously.

Barbetta said he would have preferred the motion include an authorization that the site be listed as surplus and put up for sale, “but I understand I don’t have the votes.

However, he added, “We’re not going to see the markets we saw before. They’re not going to skyrocket up, so holding the property for a long time’s not going to make you a lot of money.”

He said he was going to continue to push for the property to be sold.”

“There’s a lot of land on Cattlemen that has old and decrepit buildings on it that would be replaced if anybody was to invest in construction,” Patterson said. “There’s no guarantee that if we sold the property tomorrow … somebody wouldn’t do more than sit on it and wait for the market to turn.”

Master planning

As the discussion continued regarding future potential uses of the site, Chairwoman Christine Robinson said, “Personally, I do not want to speed up a [county] facilities master plan because of the complicated decisions that have to be made.”

For example, Robinson said, the sheriff was undertaking a jail population study, the results of which would be weighed in decisions about constructing a new jail.

“I think we’ve got to be very careful with where we’re going with a facilities master plan … with the correct public input,” she added.

“Maybe I’m losing my mind,” Barbetta said, “but four or five years ago, I thought we did a complete facilities master plan. … Why aren’t we just updating it?”

Cash replied that staff was updating that plan, which was completed in 2008. The update should be complete within 10 months, Cash said.

“I guess what I’m trying to prevent,” Barbetta said, “is bringing in another new consultant to do another master plan and spending a lot of money.”

Cash responded, “We don’t expect to have a large effort done by an outside consultant.”

Cash added, however, that his staff was taking county employment into consideration.

“That’s gone down the past four years,” Barbetta said.

“It has gone down,” Cash said, but staff was looking long-range for the update.

“I won’t support a huge expenditure on a master plan, either,” Patterson told Cash.

During the time she had been on the board, Patterson added, two master plans had been undertaken, “a good portion of them [including] pie-in-the-sky projects, things that you couldn’t project a revenue source to build.”

Patterson was elected to her fourth term in 2010.

Thaxton agreed that while he, Patterson and Barbetta had seen “various iterations” of master planning over the past 10 years, he also agreed with Robinson about not rushing into a decision on the future of the Cattlemen property.

Reid pointed out, “The board needs to ensure that we can have input from the constitutional officers,” regarding whether they would be interested in facilities in the proximity of the new EOC.

Thaxton said he felt Deputy County Administrator Bill Little, Public Works Director James K. Harriott Jr., Fire Department Chief and Emergency Services Director Mike Tobias and Knight were capable of handling a planning initiative for the site.

Thaxton proposed a second motion, calling for staff to come back to the board with an emergency operations plan for the Cattlemen property.

Commissioner Carolyn Mason seconded the motion.

However, Patterson objected, calling the motion too narrow.

Thaxton replied, “It was deliberately narrow.” He just wanted to make sure the property was not needed for any ancillary uses to the EOC before the board voted to put a parcel on the market, he said.

Robinson agreed with Patterson. Then Mason said she also would not vote for the site plan.

“I’m assuming that we can have a new discussion on the bones of updating the master plan before we have to make the decision on sale vs. not sale,” Patterson said.

“Let’s get off dead center and give Mr. Reid the go-ahead to do the update and discussion [with the sheriff],” Patterson added. “Presumably, it’s going to come back to us within six months,” she said, because she would object to the process taking a year or two.

Thaxton then withdrew his motion.